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DC
Season 7, Episode 6
Dorie Clark
Playing the long game when the path keeps shifting.
The Breadwinners
What did you grow up believing about how work worked?
A podcast about the realities of earning, leading, and balancing — when the promises don't match the reality. With Rachael Lowell.
Listen Now"The script we were handed doesn't match the movie we're in. The systems change. The stories change. And still, we rise."
From Our Guests
Real talk from real leaders
Candid conversations with people who have redefined success.
"I'm just like, I understand this is how it's been, but it's no longer serving what we need as a society today, and so why can't we change it?"
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Rhonesha Byng
CEO @ Her Agenda
"I grew up with the idea that you need to have a steady income, you need to be really stable... but we know that the economic situation has changed significantly from that."
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Ashwini Anburajan
CEO @ OBI
"If you don't have to spend energy worrying about being someone else, you can spend that energy worrying about how to grow your business."
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Paulita David
Managing Director @ Reddit
"On the downside you don't get the path that our parents were promised. On the upside, you're not constrained by the path that our parents were constrained by."
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Christina Wallace
Harvard Business School Professor
"I grew up with this typical stereotypical immigrant childhood... the truth is that it took a tremendous amount of community, really making decisions to divert the path."
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Carla Zanoni
Former TED and WSJ
"When I think about how do you survive in the AI era, I think about Andrew Ridgeley."
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Dorie Clark
WSJ Bestselling Author
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Show Format
What to expect
Origin stories, turning points, and quick-fire reflections.
Carboload
Quick-fire reflections near the end: a myth you've outgrown, what you're learning now, who's a breadwinner you'd love to break bread with.
Let It Rise
Space for guests to plug, promote, or celebrate something they're working on.
Croutons
Random facts, ideas, or tangents that come up in conversation. The good stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else.
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